Classic My big fat Russian slaves, Discipline in Russia, Her1st punishment Megathread

[Spankvoyeur]

As I got my hands on a torrent I would open this thread up.
Starting with Russian slaves.

But as I just have a request, and some questions and remarks I don't start at the beginning for now but with Russian Slaves#74, part 2 - Some interviews - as they say - with "Debutants for future movies".

Here some remarks:

1. Considering the amount of content they produced using almost always (though there are a few regulars) new models, one wonders why there is only a handful of these interviews, sometimes referred to as "First interview with..."
Now what is strange?
The first girl in #74 from 1.20 onward (starring in Russian Slaves#71), just as girl 3 (20.13) - (starring in #75) appear in the same setting that the movie is produced in - i might say - already on the set, ready for the shooting - even the disciplinarian from the movie is present (they are changing often - just as the settings).
Who would come to the idea that this might have been the "first interview" (casting), when the whole crew is ready, everything set up and prepared for shooting.
When the girl is not interested or not suitable? Everyone, camera operators, lightning technicians and other actors then sent home? Come back tomorrow, there we are waiting for Natasha from Nowosibirsk...she will probably come...
Then there is a model, knowing almost nothing about the production, so they have to explain what kind of movies they make...and who to fuck will travel maybe from St. Petersburg to Moscow to attend a casting nothing really is known about what kind of movies the company will produce? (girl no.2 #74 from 6.35). Tatjana from St. Petersburg. And what if they are telling her they would produce snuff films where she is strangled to unconsciousness?
Will she gladly travel the 700 km back home, knowing that even the genre she looked for was wrong?

2. At least for girl 1 in #74 it was too late to be a debutant for future movies, when she already had a role in #71, where she received a such terrible beating and thus (as far as I know) never returned.

3. Request:
I was interested to find the movie in which Tatjana from St. Petersburg played (girl no.2 #74 from 6.35), bud had no luck so far. Maybe someone can help or she never returned to make a movie...?

4. Request:
In the files unfortunately the subtitles went missing. The audio quality of the interview is so bad that my online speech translator almost delivered pure nonsense. It takes a native speaker to translate.
Could some russian member briefly translate the main points? Or anyone provide the file with subtitles?

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#74 part 2

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#75 part 3

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[Spankvoyeur]

To keep the context I decided to proceed with the interviews - as there are some more remarks - and after post the movies the interviewed starred in.

So now we have "Spanking Debutants#2" that is part of DIR-18 - Private Religion School-pt2.

For the sake of completeness I will post the whole "Private Religion School" DIR-17 and DIR-18 in 2 seperate files.

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First the remarks to the interviews:
Debutant "Katerina Gulyaeva" ( name allegedly!) from 52.39 onward and "Natasha Chernaya" (all names allegedly) from 44.53 are already on the set of "Boot Camp" when the "First" interviews was (allegedly) made. They wear even the same clothing as later in the movie. Grotesque and nonsens seems the first question to Natasha. "Do you know where you'll be shooting today?" when everyone is already on the set. The implications such procedure could bring for either party I have already outlined in my first posting.
Any questions has none of the girls (!!!). Some very important ones were very obvious to me in that situation...
Natasha states she has some experience in S/M movies from a long time ago. Considering and estimating her age around 20, we wonder what long ago could probably mean? 5 years, 10 years? So what???
When watching Boot Camp we must admit that those 2 (of 3) girls seem to have neither experience nor a sufficient pain tolerance and (if they are not oscar-matured actresses) get more than they might have signed up for (if - after all - the 40 strokes of the birch were specified beforehand). They won't ever come back for another shoot.
Anticipating further reviews I must state that in a lot of those productions - not all - we have to wonder if the models knew what was coming to them when it came to the punishment part
and how the producers might have lured them into a shooting the model then wouldn't break up when finding that the punishment was way harder than they expected. My best guess is (in the best case) that like in those (imo) fake interviews, at casting they were told they had to act out a scenario (often lesbian) and also had to take a (unspecified) punishment part. Otherwise they wouldn't get paid at all. As we see in interviews the models are shown examples of punishments with some light taps on the ass. Now they sign up. When it comes to shooting the punishment the disciplinarians give them a hellish beating (creates the "realism") and the girl is surprised, but has to suffer through to get any payment at all.
What indicates that something (in many cases, not all) is wrong are about 50 cuts in the movies, mostly in the punishment parts, when things happen that are not intended for the movie: maybe discussions about the contract, cursings and other not very nice behaviour most viewers do not really want to know.
From pov of the producer it would also be a waste when the movie can't be finished when the model stops for good - so the interests collide.
Comparing Lupus (CZ) movies, they are brilliantly produced and edited. Shot - also it seems - in one go without any noticeable cuts. The reason might be? I know they rehearsed a lot with the models before the shooting.... it seems to me in the russian productions there was no real rehearsal.
On the other hand one question is obvious:
Why would a model not take a look at what the company produced before? So they might have had a guess what was coming to them?
This question remains unanswered for now.

to be continued...

 

[Spankvoyeur]

Last part of the interviews in Russian Slaves #58, starting with debutant "Nadezda Velikanova". All that was explained above still holds true here. What is satire allowed to do? Or how retarded they think their viewers are? Like the two girls before starring in "Boot Camp" the third girl is right on location of the shooting and knows (fortunatly for all involved) a "little bit" what to do. The interviewer can brighten up her mind a litte describing the work profile roughly...so she should be glad that they are only using sticks, whips, birches and any kind of (!!!) punishment equipment. No need to ask anything here and straight to undressing and dancing. She seems to have missed the pervert filmmakers by a hair's breadth and -by chance- found the right location. In any case she is suitable for the job as we see in the movie, has a good pain tolerance and seemed to get some benefit out of it. So no problem for this girl to appear in a number of subsequent movies.

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[Spankvoyeur]

Last part of the interviews in Russian Slaves #58, starting with debutant "Nadezda Velikanova". All that was explained above still holds true here. What is satire allowed to do? Or how retarded they think their viewers are? Like the two girls before starring in "Boot Camp" the third girl is right on location of the shooting and knows (fortunatly for all involved) a "little bit" what to do. The interviewer can brighten up her mind a litte describing the work profile roughly...so she should be glad that they are only using sticks, whips, birches and any kind of (!!!) punishment equipment. No need to ask anything here and straight to undressing and dancing. She seems to have missed the pervert filmmakers by a hair's breadth and -by chance- found the right location. In any case she is suitable for the job as we see in the movie, has a good pain tolerance and seemed to get some benefit out of it. So no problem for this girl to appear in a number of subsequent movies.

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[Spankvoyeur]

Last part of the interviews in Russian Slaves #58, starting with debutant "Nadezda Velikanova". All that was explained above still holds true here. What is satire allowed to do? Or how retarded they think their viewers are? Like the two girls before starring in "Boot Camp" the third girl is right on location of the shooting and knows (fortunatly for all involved) a "little bit" what to do. The interviewer can brighten up her mind a litte describing the work profile roughly...so she should be glad that they are only using sticks, whips, birches and any kind of (!!!) punishment equipment. No need to ask anything here and straight to undressing and dancing. She seems to have missed the pervert filmmakers by a hair's breadth and -by chance- found the right location. In any case she is suitable for the job as we see in the movie, has a good pain tolerance and seemed to get some benefit out of it. So no problem for this girl to appear in a number of subsequent movies.

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[Spankvoyeur]

Last part of the interviews in Russian Slaves #58, starting with debutant "Nadezda Velikanova". All that was explained above still holds true here. What is satire allowed to do? Or how retarded they think their viewers are? Like the two girls before starring in "Boot Camp" the third girl is right on location of the shooting and knows (fortunatly for all involved) a "little bit" what to do. The interviewer can brighten up her mind a litte describing the work profile roughly...so she should be glad that they are only using sticks, whips, birches and any kind of (!!!) punishment equipment. No need to ask anything here and straight to undressing and dancing. She seems to have missed the pervert filmmakers by a hair's breadth and -by chance- found the right location. In any case she is suitable for the job as we see in the movie, has a good pain tolerance and seemed to get some benefit out of it. So no problem for this girl to appear in a number of subsequent movies.

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[Spankvoyeur]

Sorry for posting this 3 times in a row. It was during server downtime and nothing moved, so I thought it hadn't been posted at all. When the server worked again, I saw that it was posted as often as I tried and it seemed to fail. Strange behaviour... 😵

 

[Spankvoyeur]

Now here come DIR-11: Boot Camp#1 (2008), of which the titel is misleading because there never was Boot Camp#2.

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In the roles: (names allegedly!!!)
Katerina Gulyaeva
Natasha Chernaya
Nadezda Velikanova

 

[Spankvoyeur]

Now another movie with the girls from the interviews.
While the girl named "Masha Kalinina" mentioned to have experience in S/M movies, took the punishment sovereign and made some other movies for the company, the girl named "Elena Ivanova" obviously wasn't prepared for the intensity of the punishment. There is a "Stop!" and many cuts in the scene. Obviously the staff managed (by whatever means) her finishing the shoot without decreasing the intensity. As far as I can see she never came back for another movie. Another devastated model? Don't seem to matter though because these models seem to stand in row to act for the company...while for other producers it is hard to find some. Seems like the magic trick Lupus had invented before, even more astonishing when CZ is a country of 11mio people while Russia has 144mio.

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Russian Slaves 75#1

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Russian Slaves 75#2

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Russian Slaves 75#3

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Cast
Masha Kalinina
Elena Ivanova

 

[Spankvoyeur]

Who ever has an info about the year of production is welcome to share these infos here as in the movies there is no date given. Supposedly it is mentioned on DVD covers. They all were produced prior 2012 when they got out of business and websites were closed down. My guess: the companys largest output was between 2004 and 2012.

 

[Spankvoyeur]

To clear things up and to NOT leave a false impression I have to state the following:

1. I am NOT a fan of these kind of movies and especially this studio. There are several reasons for this. Some of them arise from my personal taste and others from moral perspectives.
1a. There is hardly any otk spanking.
1b. I am not a fan of cold canings ect., they are used imo to take things over the top and present some impressive long lasting marks, close to drawing blood.
1c. This producer seems rather like a circle of sadists than real disciplinarians and thus the drive for productions comes from a darker side of character, which I don't support.
1d. There are bondage elements which I don't like in general.
1e. There is this bloke - imo a real sadist - who I cannot stand, permanently groping and sometimes strangling the girls. By the way he does not seem able to wield a cane in the right way. In every role - especially as a teacher or priest he is a miscasting.
Unfortunately he is to be seen in 80-90% of the movies. All other tops are not way better.
1f. Why must a top call the spankees "Bitch" in every 5 minutes? It seems that is what they really represent for those people.
1g. As said before, all arises out of a sadistic pov and a more sinister atmosphere is created, where it is hard to tell what is acted out and what is real. May not be important for everyone, but at least for me. I listen to my intuition on that.
1h The punishments are sometimes way too extreme and that is something I critizised before on Lupus/RGE, who claim to have reformed the spanking movie world with their productions. Have they? For better or worse? Something bad will not get better when exaggerating it. That could be part of a similar review. At least they invented - like in a mainstream movie - end credits with the clear names of the models. Why would that be? No one seems to have needed that before and there is imo good reasons NOT to do it. At least not without giving their current residence adress also (sarkasm off). We will soon see for the russian producer if the models names were actually real at all.
1i. The models consent: one could say easily that obviously they consented for shooting. But there seems to be something wrong, which is indicated by the (worst) editing. Why would someone need to have 50 cuts in a 15 minute scene? However we don't know what was introduced before and what was contracted and how the producers made sure that the shoot would be finished with all(?) means necessary? Only the involved could report about this.
1j I mentioned the worst editing ever.
1k. things that annoyed me but i have forgotten.

2. I will share the files and then delete them. There will be no re-up possible.

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[theradion]

I am a fan of more extreme stuff, but that jerk annoys me too.
I agree with 1 d, 1 e, 1 f, 1 i, 1 j.
Most importantly, in every scene I'm looking for consistency, believability and in these movies that's never the situation.
If you start by setting up a disciplinary scene and two minutes in you start groping, grabbing the girl, you killed all the vibe for me, it all becomes rather disturbing.
Sometimes he acts like a complete psychopath.
On the other hand I like the severity.
As you mentioned, there's a lot of personal taste when it comes to how we see these materials and I for example like this level (Lupus is - well... was since they're defunct - one of my all time favorites). Maybe because I'm also in Eastern Europe and that is the sort of spanking that we here can relate to. I find OTK to be boring to the level that I don't watch OTK stuff at all. The only thing more boring than that to me is the stupid British overacted, overritualized stuff where it takes an endlessly blabbing old fart in a toga 30 minutes to give six mediocre cane lashes to a middle aged woman who is supposed to play the part of a school girl. No offense to anyone who likes that sort of stuff but to me that's just unwatchable.

 

[Spankvoyeur]

@theradion: thanks for your input! Very welcome and interesting!

Maybe because I'm also in Eastern Europe and that is the sort of spanking that we here can relate to

Can you explain that further? Are you from russia? What do you mean by "we can relate to."?

 

[theradion]

There are places where spankings are still a common form of punishment. I don't want to get into this topic, as this forum is about consenting adults and not other stuff, but the thing is, those of us who grew up in such places and experienced, witnessed or heard about such punishments are influenced by that.
To put it simply: what we consider to be genuine, realistic and credible is informed by that.
If I see a parental type scene (my favorite kind by far) and everything about it is wildly different from my own notions of what a parental punishment spanking is, then I find it difficult to believe it and enjoy it

 

[Spankvoyeur]

There are places where spankings are still a common form of punishment. I don't want to get into this topic, as this forum is about consenting adults and not other stuff, but the thing is, those of us who grew up in such places and experienced, witnessed or heard about such punishments are influenced by that.
To put it simply: what we consider to be genuine, realistic and credible is informed by that.
If I see a parental type scene (my favorite kind by far) and everything about it is wildly different from my own notions of what a parental punishment spanking is, then I find it difficult to believe it and enjoy it

thank you for this interesting insight. It COULD explain some things.
I get the point. To put it simple: "Rigid East" as Lupus named before would then be (from eastern europe pov) not exaggerated punishment but rather the way THEY see it genuine? And OTK or the beforementioned british approach would then considered to be lame while for the western europeans it would seem genuine? Can we put it that way?
A simple question arises: Could this be one of the reasons why the eastern producers had it easier to find models who would take a 40 stroke caning (even first timers) than the western civilization? Because it is in their "DNA"? (so to say...)

 

[theradion]

It's probably not quite as simple as that but in essence yes.
Here in this part of the world there are two main differences when we compare "normal" (if there's even such a thing) ways to punish.
One would be that they are on average significantly harder.
The other is that they are more on the spot, impromptu,, with far less preparations, ceremonies, rituals. Many times they don't even bother with baring the "target area".
So yes, some (not all!!!!!!) RGE/Lupus videos look absolutely 100% realistic to me, harsh, immediate, less orderly and more fast paced.
I am sure that here too there are people for whom the more ritualized forms, or a bare hand over-the-knee spanking would be the norm, but in general when we in this part of the world think of a parental spanking it's more likely that we think of something like what I described.
I think you have a point: it's easier to find here girls who see no big problem getting 30-40-50 belts or canes (more likely switches here).
Some of them might be familiar with that level, others will have heard stories or witnessed events that were also very likely at a similar level of severity.

 

[Spankvoyeur]

Thanks so much for your input. And yes, it might be not quite as simple but in general it could explain some points I have not yet understood.

 

[Spankvoyeur]

Next up the movie the girl interviewed in Russian Slaves#74, part 2, "Masha Simova" , got more than she signed up for, imo. Never returned for another shoot. Her co-cast "Nastya Sukova" could have known what is expected, as she is a returnee from RS#67, where she suffered through a hard caning. Those marks are still weakly visible. #71 was also her last shoot.

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[Spankvoyeur]

Next up is RS#79 - with no girls from interviews. The girl that gets the 40 stroke caning seems to have to struggle taking it. She is a big screamer, so better turn the volume down. There are the usual cuts in between. The episode is called "Trap for maid".

Cast
Lena Rodnina
Violetta Gulko

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[user3963]

Hey, could you post Russian Slaves 32 with the readhead?